Comments on: The Church of XML http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml "Act reasonable in your own time." Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:26:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: arkadas http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-87453 arkadas Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:01:44 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-87453 It’s really works for me.Thanks dude. It’s really works for me.Thanks dude.

]]> By: XML non believer http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-42341 XML non believer Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:31:08 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-42341 I agree with jack fife. XML is inefficient. It is also overly complex IMHO. Been on W3 schools and their CDCatalog example.. The way they do it - if you wish to look for a specific album you share the love and get the whole bleedin XML file just to display XHTML with two results on it. Just think about the extra network traffic with the thousands of people who will be using it for things like this. (Blame W3Schools; it was their example) For something like this surely PHP&SQL would be a lot better, Well; certainly a lot more efficient. I agree with jack fife. XML is inefficient.
It is also overly complex IMHO. Been on W3 schools and their
CDCatalog example.. The way they do it - if you wish to look
for a specific album you share the love and get the whole
bleedin XML file just to display XHTML with two results on it.
Just think about the extra network traffic with the thousands
of people who will be using it for things like this.
(Blame W3Schools; it was their example)
For something like this surely PHP&SQL would be a lot better,
Well; certainly a lot more efficient.

]]> By: Erwin Moller http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4414 Erwin Moller Wed, 15 Mar 2006 15:12:18 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4414 XML is completely hyped IMHO. When I first saw it a few years back I thought: "Well, who knows, it must be better than CSV, but probably they screw it up by making it complex, and the textbased approach must be very sloooooow." And yes: That is excactly what happened. I do not understand why a seasoned programmer whould EVER need XML. I surely don't. By the way, some XML-maniacs now even created an XML-database. How slow can you get? Check it out here: http://exist.sourceforge.net/ Well, seriously, I have no problems with XML, but the hype has been around a few years now, and XML is now complex and slow, despite 'their' promises they would keep it simple. If I understand well I need webservices, XSLT, DTD, DOM, parsers, validators, etc to get something done, that any idiot with 1 year VB-script experience codes in a few minutes. I am sticking to PHP/Java/Postgresql to get my job done. But please enjoy your XML-church. I am an atheist anyway. XML is completely hyped IMHO.
When I first saw it a few years back I thought: “Well, who knows, it must be better than CSV, but probably they screw it up by making it complex, and the textbased approach must be very sloooooow.”

And yes: That is excactly what happened.
I do not understand why a seasoned programmer whould EVER need XML. I surely don’t.

By the way, some XML-maniacs now even created an XML-database. How slow can you get?
Check it out here: http://exist.sourceforge.net/

Well, seriously, I have no problems with XML, but the hype has been around a few years now, and XML is now complex and slow, despite ‘their’ promises they would keep it simple.

If I understand well I need webservices, XSLT, DTD, DOM, parsers, validators, etc to get something done, that any idiot with 1 year VB-script experience codes in a few minutes.

I am sticking to PHP/Java/Postgresql to get my job done.

But please enjoy your XML-church.
I am an atheist anyway.

]]> By: Bob http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4390 Bob Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:18:46 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4390 Isn't it funny that non-believers comment this article which is published in HTML. They might even read the RSS feed to find more non-believers. It's like atheists burning candels in a church, asking GOD not to exist. Isn’t it funny that non-believers comment this article which is published in HTML. They might even read the RSS feed to find more non-believers. It’s like atheists burning candels in a church, asking GOD not to exist.

]]> By: Sabrina http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4372 Sabrina Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:33:40 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4372 I am going to hell... much more interesting there, in fact, XML is probably written by us hell-lovers... just for fun, to tease the heaven-lovers, and see them become less and less efficient due to this seemingly "heavenly" creation... *evil grin* I am going to hell… much more interesting there, in fact, XML is probably written by us hell-lovers… just for fun, to tease the heaven-lovers, and see them become less and less efficient due to this seemingly “heavenly” creation… *evil grin*

]]> By: Rich http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4235 Rich Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:17:39 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4235 Ok, so I'm a worker bee slaving away at my desk when someone from another company dumps a 17 meg XML file on me. Most every app I use to try and open it crashes. So I get to work with google and find out I have to write my own app to read the damn thing? XML might be great if you're prepared for it, but if you spring it on some non-programmer, it's just going to sit there like some giant smoking turd. Ok, so I’m a worker bee slaving away at my desk when someone from another company dumps a 17 meg XML file on me. Most every app I use to try and open it crashes.
So I get to work with google and find out I have to write my own app to read the damn thing? XML might be great if you’re prepared for it, but if you spring it on some non-programmer, it’s just going to sit there like some giant smoking turd.

]]> By: Jack Fife http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4176 Jack Fife Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:56:57 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4176 XML is normally to verbose for those that are on the performance side of things. So from the techies we normally hear this is the greatest thing since slice bread. From our business partners who have to pay for this methodology we heard how come our cost keep going up. There needs to be a happy medium out there but to get both sides to agree is an never ending story (gee could this be made into a movie). Most XML are being built as a service which means that you will get everything that the service can have. What we should be moving to is an attribute based services that makes the client say give me fields 1,2, and 5 and that is all you that will be provided. In this way you reduce network traffic, and you are improving performance because you are not sending unwanted data. This process has worked for us for years and we are currently doing over 1 billion processes a month. regards XML is normally to verbose for those that are on the performance side of things. So from the techies we normally hear this is the greatest thing since slice bread. From our business partners who have to pay for this methodology we heard how come our cost keep going up. There needs to be a happy medium out there but to get both sides to agree is an never ending story (gee could this be made into a movie). Most XML are being built as a service which means that you will get everything that the service can have. What we should be moving to is an attribute based services that makes the client say give me fields 1,2, and 5 and that is all you
that will be provided. In this way you reduce network traffic, and you are improving performance because you are not sending unwanted data. This process has worked for us for years and we are currently doing over 1 billion processes a month. regards

]]> By: bowerbird intelligentleman http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4085 bowerbird intelligentleman Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:15:15 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4085 two steps more advanced than x.m.l. is z.m.l. -- zen markup language. just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there... :+) two steps more advanced than x.m.l. is z.m.l. — zen markup language. just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t there… :+)

]]> By: please no ow my head http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4053 please no ow my head Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:04:12 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4053 you've been seen by Fabian Pascal, XML's biggest fan. YAY! http://www.dbdebunk.com/laughcry.html you’ve been seen by Fabian Pascal, XML’s biggest fan. YAY!
http://www.dbdebunk.com/laughcry.html

]]> By: DL http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4043 DL Tue, 05 Jul 2005 18:13:26 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4043 Anonymous Coward: Present a case to demonstrate that XML provides superlative value. Anonymous Coward:
Present a case to demonstrate that XML provides superlative value.

]]> By: tese http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4037 tese Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:10:59 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-4037 tet tet

]]> By: Nick Weedon http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-3883 Nick Weedon Wed, 04 May 2005 02:55:17 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-3883 Just so that you all know, my comment about replacing oracle with XML was purely sarcastic. Just so that you all know, my comment about replacing oracle with XML was purely sarcastic.

]]> By: s http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-3825 s Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:03:55 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-3825 xml is crap xml is crap

]]> By: Noah http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-2446 Noah Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:13:07 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-2446 Alleluia to XML!!!! XML has given a new meaning to my professional life.... it is my professional religion... Where do I sign up? Alleluia to XML!!!!

XML has given a new meaning to my professional life…. it is my professional religion…

Where do I sign up?

]]> By: XML_UML_awk_ced_vim http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-2445 XML_UML_awk_ced_vim Thu, 09 Dec 2004 22:54:39 +0000 http://www.zefhemel.com/archives/2004/09/12/the-church-of-xml#comment-2445 What??? Let the grubby masses into our Church? Never! What??? Let the grubby masses into our Church? Never!

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